Monday, January 16, 2012

MLK - A Man I Very Much Admired! Go Abby and Romney Will Endure!

Some things to ponder!

If life is a waste of time,
And time is a waste of life,
Then let's all get wasted together
And have the time of our lives.

Armand's Pizza, Washington , DC
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Make love, not war.
Hell, do both
GET MARRIED!

Women's restroom
The Filling Station, Bozeman, MT
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Do not argue with an idiot.

He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.
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If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
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We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.
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War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
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Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a
fruit salad.
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Evening news is where they begin with 'Good Evening,' and then proceed
to tell you why it isn't.
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To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is
research.
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I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you. ('PNF/F' to GW.)
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I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure and Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
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HAVE YOU EVER BEEN GUILTY OF LOOKING AT OTHERS YOUR OWN AGE AND THINKING, SURELY I CAN'T LOOK THAT OLD? WELL......YOU'LL LOVE THIS ONE!

MY NAME IS ALICE SMITH AND I WAS SITTING IN THE WAITING ROOM FOR MY FIRST APPOINTMENT WITH A NEW DENTIST. I NOTICED HIS DENTAL DIPLOMA, WHICH BORE HIS FULL NAME.

SUDDENLY, I REMEMBERED A TALL, HANDSOME, DARK HAIRED BOY WITH THE SAME NAME HAD BEEN IN MY SECONDARY SCHOOL CLASS SOME 30-ODD YEARS AGO.

COULD HE BE THE SAME GUY THAT I HAD A SECRET CRUSH ON, WAY BACK THEN?

UPON SEEING HIM, HOWEVER, I QUICKLY DISCARDED ANY SUCH THOUGHT.

THIS BALDING, GREY HAIRED MAN WITH THE DEEPLY LINED FACE WAS FAR TOO OLD TO HAVE BEEN MY CLASSMATE. AFTER HE EXAMINED MY TEETH, I ASKED HIM IF HE HAD ATTENDED MORGAN PARK SECONDARY SCHOOL .

'YES, YES I DID. I'M A MORGANNER! 'HE BEAMED WITH PRIDE.

'WHEN DID YOU LEAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE?' I ASKED

HE ANSWERED, IN 1965. WHY DO YOU ASK?

'YOU WERE IN MY CLASS!' I EXCLAIMED.

HE LOOKED AT ME CLOSELY.

THEN THE UGLY,

OLD,

BALD,

WRINKLED,

FAT ARSED,

GREY HAIRED,

DECREPIT,

BASTARD ASKED..

'WHAT DID YOU TEACH?'
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And finally,Where there's a will, there are relatives.
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In the possible hope of making voters more informed. (See 1 below.)
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Today is the birth date of a man I admired very much - Martin Luther King. (See 2 below.)

He did much to change the face of this nation. I wonder what he would think about the results we have achieved since his efforts to bring about racial harmony. No doubt he would be proud of the fact that we now have a black president but would he proud of the one we chose who, by his failed leadership, has done more to divide our nation than further its healing?

There is no way to answer that question but I suspect MLK, who was a conservative and voted Republican, would not be pleased with the sad state of the black family, the unemployment in the black community and many of the ravages that have befallen them - some of their own making, some because of their dependency upon government and a party which has sold them a bill of goods and some still because their color is black. We have a way to go but black Americans must do more to right their own ship and the most important thing is get a meaningful education.
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Our youngest daughter is a real estate agent in Orlando and she received this unsolicited letter from a client.

I have tried to instill in all my children that unselfish service is the key to success. Abby has been recognized as one of Orlando's top realtor. Go Abby! (See 3 below.)
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Huntsman, unlike some others, took the high road and ran a principled campaign but could not get any traction. Do personality and charisma trump character? You decide. (See 4 below.)

Romney would be wise to get Co. Allan West and/or Jeb Bush to be his V.P. in my opinion should he get the nomination as seems likely.

The news and press folks will continue to tell us why Romney is not going to beat Obama. Yes, Romney has weaknesses but I still maintain Obama will beat himself and Romney will help him do so because he is steady, smart, will surround himself with good people and thus, and will endure. Time will tell as it always does.
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Dick
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1)This could serve to make the electorate so much more qualified to cast a ballot next year!!!

“Moment Of Clarity”;is a weekly commentary by Libertarian writer and speaker Tim Nerenz, PhD; He is also an international business executive and former Congressional candidate. His website www.timnerenz.com . The following is extracted from a concluding paragraph:

"To be fair to the Democrats, the financial system melted down on their watch. And to be fair to Republicans, terrorists flew planes into buildings on theirs. Neither party asked for the trouble that dropped in their laps; none of us ever do. But we don’t pay our elected officials to be lucky and we don’t pay them to make excuses; we pay them to fix things." Both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue have forgotten the latter imperative.

November 25, 2011 Tax Truth

Now that the Super Committee foolishness is behind him, President Obama can focus his full attention to the more serious business of blaming all of his failures on George W. Bush. Let me say at the outset that I am no fan of George W. Bush. One of the worst things he ever did was attach his name to a sensible economic policy that worked. Yes, worked. I thought it might be useful to pre-empt the next year of carnival-barking with a number or two for my liberal friends who prefer their economics to be delivered to them in slogans.

Start with this one: the FY2003 budget deficit was $377 billion. The significance of that milestone is that it is the year when the Bush tax cuts were implemented. Four years later, in FY2007, the deficit had fallen to $161 billion. The deficit shrunk by 57.3% in the first four years of the Bush tax cuts; you will not hear that on TV, in schools, or on the campaign trail in the next 12 months. You’re welcome.

And it didn’t happen because of those famous “draconian spending cuts” Senators Clinton and Schumer made a fortune complaining to their base about back then. In fact, government spending increased over those four years by 26% - more than double the rate of inflation. Two wars, No Child Left Behind, Katrina, the Patriot Act, and Medicare Part D will do that for you. The deficit was reduced in spite of all that spending because tax receipts rose by 44%. That is what reducing tax rates on producers will do for you.

In FY2003 receipts were $1,782 billion, and in FY2007 they were $2,568 billion. Yes, MSNBC junkies, tax receipts went up when top rates went down; just like Arthur Laffer said they would. Go ahead and hate Bush as much as you want, but don’t take it out on math.

And don’t even call them the Bush Tax Cuts, as I can’t imagine that he sat down one day by himself and wrote up changes to the tax code. He was not the only one who understands the difference between tax rates and tax revenues, and besides it is Congress, not the President, who levies taxes and controls spending. Amazing what you can find out when you actually read the Constitution.

Bill Clinton lowered capital gains rates (seriously, he did) and the resulting surge in tax receipts caused the balanced budget that Democrats and Newt Gingrich now take credit for. Clinton knew what Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, and John F. Kennedy did – like the people who own it, capital will move to where it is punished the least. And capital formation is the necessary predecessor of job creation.

And if you don’t like those stubborn facts about deficits during the Bush years, don’t get mad at me; take your grievance to Office of Management and Budget – President Obama’s OMB – who publish the numbers on actual receipts and actual outlays. Cash flow doesn’t lie, and receipts and outlays are the bottom line of fiscal policy.

Tax-the-rich obsessive-compulsives will still complain that tax receipts fell as a percentage of GDP from 2003 to 2007 and they will be correct. But so what? Would you turn down a 44% raise because mine was 60%? The sad thing is, there are a whole lot of Americans who probably would; such is the state of the coveting class these days.

In case you missed it, Bush has already been punished by the voters. Too much spending, debt, and war weariness cost the Republicans both houses of Congress in 2006. Taking office in January of 2007, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid inherited a 14,000 point Dow, a 3.5% growth rate, and unemployment at 4.4%. They promised to do much better and they got their chance, starting with the FY2008 budget.

But they did not even wait for the budget process to begin; they announced their economic agenda right off the bat – increase taxes on the wealthy, increase taxes on corporations, cap and trade, card check, tariff increases, more government regulation, nationalization of health care, “green” mandates, restricting energy production, and commandeering the nation’s student loan programs.

Their war on capitalism was declared while the movers were still hauling boxes in and out of the Capitol. Mission accomplished, to borrow a phrase. In FY2011, after four years of Pelosi/Reid budgets, the federal government’s deficit is now $1.3 trillion - almost ten times what it was when they took over. 15 million Americans are unemployed.

So let’s recap: Republicans controlled the House and Senate and enacted tax cuts; four years later their deficit was reduced by 57.3%. Democrats controlled the House and Senate and declared war on capitalism; four years later their deficit was increased by 819%. And they call George W. Bush dumb.

To be fair to the Democrats, the financial system melted down on their watch. And to be fair to Republicans, terrorists flew planes into buildings on theirs. Neither party asked for the trouble that dropped in their laps; none of us ever do. But we don’t pay our elected officials to be lucky and we don’t pay them to make excuses; we pay them to fix things.

President Obama’s idea of fixing things is to repeatedly threaten to punish job creators by repealing the “Bush tax cuts." He creates investor uncertainty every time he opens his mouth and then he blames the investors for their risk-aversion. The President himself is the risk that investors are avoiding now, and many have finally come out and said so in recent weeks.
Here is what they know that the President apparently does not: the knife cuts both ways. If cutting the top selective tax rates increased tax revenues by 44% and reduced the deficit by 57%, then what do you think will happen when those tax rates are raised? That’s right, revenues will plummet, the deficit – already obscene – will blow up even worse, and the economy will crater.

The $2 trillion that has accumulated on corporate balance sheets is not being hoarded to punish the working man; it is being saved for a time where it can be responsibly invested, when returns and risk can be reasonably estimated – in other words, when Mr. Obama is gone.
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2)How Obama Betrays Martin Luther's King's Dream
By George Picard


President Obama has mocked Martin Luther King by policies and actions that judge people by the color of their skin and not by the content of their character.
Martin Luther King, Junior's "I Have A Dream Speech" was one of his more eloquent and moving speeches. His words have resonated with all Americans for the past five decades and will do so for many decades to come. Among his dreams was an America where his four children would be judged not "by the color of their skin but by the content of their character"
Of course, he was not just referring to his own children or to children at all. He meant to heighten the disgrace of racism by picturing innocent children as the victims. What he truly meant -- as was made clear during the rest of his oration -- was that his dream was that all people would "not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
The man who campaigned on the theme that there was no "white America" or "black America" has used his powers as President to practice identity politics on a scale never before seen in America. Barack Obama has overtly chosen top officials on the basis of their skin color and not on the content of their character. Moreover, he has enacted policies that overtly favor "people of color" over "people of pallor" regardless of the merits of the individuals impacted by his programs.
What were we expecting from a man whose moral compass was the race-baiting Pastor Jeremiah Wright, whose views of white people and America would have repulsed Martin Luther King, Jr.?
Has Barack Obama chosen the best people to run America -- has he picked people in a color-blind way who would do best in helping all Americans or has he used a color filter to discriminate among candidates for office?
He chose Eric Holder to be our Attorney General, despite a controversial background involving the granting of a pardon by Bill Clinton to the ex-husband of a wealthy donor. Holder became America's first black Attorney General. The past three years have seen the Department of Justice tarnished by the Fast and Furious Scandal, incompetency involving whether to try terror suspect in civilian trials in New York City, the Department's refusal to pursue a "lay-up" case involving violent voter intimidation by the New Black Panther Party, and the transformation of the Civil Rights Division into a battering ram against businesses and banks on behalf of minorities.
Perhaps the latter dereliction of duty should not surprise us considering that Holder has amply displayed his own true feelings regarding America and how white people treat black people. He has called us a "nation of cowards" when it comes to discussions of race, has characterized criticism of Obama and himself as being a manifestation of racism since "we're both African-Americans" and carries in his wallet a card containing language that Holder says represents his views that "there's a common cause that bonds the black United States attorney with the black criminal." Was that a Never go To Jail Card for the New Black Panther Party members?
Holder's record as Attorney General has been so disgraceful that a growing list of 60 Congressmen, two Senators, GOP presidential candidates and at least two sitting governors have called for his resignation. Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer has called him one of the most incompetent attorney generals in American history.
Yet Obama chose him and continues to support him despite a record of failure. Is Holder serving all the American people? Is there truly no one in the vast ranks of attorneys who could serve in that role? Does Obama care about the content of Holder's character or the color of his skin?
But this is par for the course for Barack Obama.
He appointed Van Jones to be his Special Advisor for Green Jobs. Jones had a record that came to light after he assumed office that was filled with bigotry towards whites (he accused white polluters of steering poison into the people-of-color community), radicalism, flirtation with communism, and conspiracy theories regarding George Bush and 9/11. According to Valerie Jarrett, Obama's right-hand woman, they knew all about Van Jones and had been following his career for years.
Van Jones was compelled to resign when the rest of America found out about Van Jones, courtesy of Glenn Beck.
Was he chosen for the content of his character or for the color of his skin?
Lisa Jackson was chosen by Obama to be the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency. Since assuming office she has been reckless in her war on carbon and in the wake is leaving job losses, slow growth and an uncertain electric energy supply. She has been accused of exceeding the bounds of her regulatory authority to such an extent that businesses are paralyzed by uncertainty-unsure of what she will unleash next. She is blithely unconcerned that Congressmen have taken her to task for performance.
Was she chosen for the color of her skin or the content of her character?
Susan Rice, America's Ambassador to the United Nations, has kowtowed to dictators, promised that America's joining the disgraceful UN Human Rights Council would lead to its reform and the end of its incessant America and Israel-bashing (it hasn't; there was a reason George W. Bush boycotted the council), has missed important meetings and votes, and has heartily criticized our ally, Israel, at that forum of hate. She has been, according to a former spokesman for four previous U.S. Ambassadors at the UN, wildly inattentive at the United Nations because she has been devoting time to the social scene of Washington and the White House.
Was she chosen for the content of her character or the color of her skin?
Then there is Mark Lloyd, the Chief Diversity Officer, a newly created position at the Federal Communications Commission. What are Lloyd's qualifications? He has spoken publicly of getting white media executives to "step down" in favor of minorities. He also spoke of the limited number of these powerful positions and then expounded,
"... unless we are conscious of the need to have more people of color, gays, other people in those positions, we will not change the problem. But we're in a position where you have to say who is going to step down so someone else can have power". He added, for good measure, "there are few things, I think, more frightening in the American mind that dark-skinned black men. Here I am ..."
Job requirement: Character or skin color?

Most recently, Obama chose Cecilia Munoz to be in charge of his Domestic Policy Council. For the past two decades, Munoz has served as the chief lobbyist for the National Council of La Raza ("The Race") and has devoted herself to promoting its agenda of in-state college tuition breaks and drivers' licenses for illegal aliens as well as opposing enforcement of immigration laws and border controls. Obama put in charge of formulating his domestic policy someone who advocated that our laws not be enforced.
Clearly the appointment was well-timed to garner support from Hispanics in key battleground states. This ability to gin up support among Hispanics may also be a factor that led Obama to pick Hilda Solis as his Secretary of Labor (despite a tax scandal involving her husband's failure to pay tax liens)
Was they chosen for the content of her character or for the color of their skin?
Lest we forget Obama's pick for Supreme Court Justice, Sonia Sotomayor. While she attended prestigious schools (like Obama) she was not considered among the top stars of her law school class at Yale . She had a less than stellar record compared to her fellow justices but as a self-characterized "wise Latina" she believed she could often reach a better conclusion than a white male regardless of academic or scholarly skills. When Obama went looking for a Supreme Court Justice is was so obvious that he had a very narrow filter of who would "qualify" that Time's Mark Halperin wrote that "White Men Need Not Apply."
Obama seems inclined to make his choices for judges based on skin color. This came back to bite him recently. The ABA's Standing Committee on the Federal Judiciary delivered very harsh verdicts on Obama's federal judicial nominees (rejecting them as unqualified at triple the rate of both George Bush and Bill Clinton's nominees). Fourteen nominees were rated as unqualified to serve as federal judges. Thirteen of them were women, Hispanics or African-Americans. The ABA is famously liberal; clearly Obama was not picking nominees based on merit.
Barack Obama seems to be running a one-man affirmative action program. While all administrations have tried to showcase minorities Obama's seems to have gone to the extreme. George Bush had leading figures such as Colin Powell and Condi Rice. However, they had stellar backgrounds and records that fully justified the faith President Bush placed in them when he asked them to serve their nation. While Bush had problems with his pick for Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, they certainly have not risen to the scandals that have plagued Eric Holder's reign. Did Bush have a Van Jones or Harold Lloyd? Did he have a person in charge of formulating his domestic policy that advocated laws regarding illegal immigration not be enforced? Are Americans being well-served by these officials that Obama has chosen to give vast power?
Barack Obama campaigned on theme that there is not a "white America" or a "black America".
President Obama is not practicing what Senator Obama preached. Instead of channeling the heroic Martin Luther King's dream that people be judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin President Obama instead seems to be channeling the views of his moral compass, Jeremiah Wright, Jr.
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3)To: RE/MAX 200 Realty
954 South Orlando Avenue
Winter Park, FL 32789

Re: 2909 Whistlewood Drive, Orlando, FL 32810
Abby Nelson’s Services


To whom it may concern,

Over the past three years, I have had the pleasure of working with Abby Nelson while trying to purchase my first home. Abby’s services were instrumental in my endeavors and I have no doubt that I would not have been able to do it without her. She is a consummate professional. Anyone shopping for a home or property with the opportunity to have Abby represent them should consider themself lucky. Anyone that passes on that opportunity is crazy.

I first met Abby while arrogantly trying to work through a property search on my own without a realtor. After getting stonewalled by numerous realtors when trying to set up showings on my own, I called Abby about a house she had listed. When I told her I did not have representation, she spent the next half hour talking me through the process and explaining that I was setting myself up for headaches. She also took the time to ask me questions and provide council with regard to my wants and needs in a home. At this point, we had no established relationship but she was willing to spend the time to try and help me and she had the patience and tact to educate me about what I was getting myself into. I knew then that I had come upon someone special so I made sure she was in my corner from that moment on.

That aforementioned patience would come in handy. Abby stuck with me through three separate housing searches. The first two fell apart due to various circumstances. As I said before, it took three years before she ever saw a dime for her efforts, but she never wavered in her willingness to help and support me through this difficult process. I am a quite demanding customer. As an engineer by trade, I am incredibly detail oriented and I tend to nitpick every single aspect of any process. No matter how insignificant or ridiculous any of my concerns were, Abby always treated each one as though it was a major issue and threw the full weight of her experience behind making sure I got the answers and results I needed. Every telephone call was either answered or returned promptly. Every e-mail was responded to. Despite the fact that she has a long list of clients that represent more lucrative deals than I do, I always felt like I was her top priority. Most importantly, every answer I got was correct. Abby always made sure that she got me the information I needed. She never bluffed her way through anything. She was willing to tell me if she didn’t know the answer and did not stop until she got one for me. This is rare among anyone in the business of sales.

Abby’s skills as a realtor are beyond reproach. She is well versed in every aspect of the home buying process. I negotiated a number of contracts with her during my search which covered the full spectrum of sales in today’s market. This included a number of short sales, a bank owned property, a negotiation with an existing owner, and finally a negotiation with a builder on a newly constructed home. In each instance, Abby was able to provide guidance as to the special circumstances that come with each type of deal. Furthermore, in each case she was more knowledgeable than the person that was supposedly an expert. During a short sale negotiation, she was telling the bank rep what he needed to do in order to get me a faster response. During the negotiation with the new home builder, their representative had to lean on Abby’s experience when coming up with a way to structure the deal. During my closing, Abby know more about what was going on that the closing agent. The bottom line is that, through it all, Abby earned my unconditional trust.

I am very grateful to have had Abby Nelson represent me. While this process ended with me buying my first home, I am certain this will not be my last. I will never, under any circumstances, make any real estate decisions or moves without consulting Abby for as long as she is in the business.

Regards,


Nojan Nowakhtar
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4)Jon Huntsman, anti-Republican and Vogue pin-up, ends his baffling 2012 campaign
By TOBY HARNDEN


Almost from the outset, Jon Huntsman's White House candidacy was completely mystifying.
I was in Liberty Park in New Jersey for his announcement and flew on his campaign plane to New Hampshire for his first event. It was immediately clear that something was out of kilter.
Huntsman always seemed to be less than the sum of his parts.

So long, folks: John Huntsman on Sunday in Charleston, South Carolina, before announcing he's dropping out of the race

A fluent Mandarin speaker (he learnt the language while a Mormon missionary in Taiwan), he had twice served as a U.S. ambassador, had been a conservative governor of Utah, the most Republican state in the country, and was articulate, telegenic and a strong family man.

But he never overcame the central paradox of his candidacy: while declaring himself to be a Reagan conservative, he marketed himself as a moderate and took every opportunity to bemoan the state of the Republican party, even questioning its sanity.


Speaking of civil, he made clear he was in favour of civil unions for same-sex couples - anathema to social conservatives. He was also an uncomfortable campaigner - his voice soft and his demeanour suggesting he felt the whole palaver was faintly ridiculous.
And of course Huntsman had a major hurdle to overcome - he had served in the Obama administration as ambassador to China and was on the record as warmly praising the Democratic president.

Vogue swooned over the 'perpetual expression of thoughtful engagement' of Jon Huntsman, pictured here with daughter Gracie

To add to his difficulties, he was a Mormon (though barely an observant one by all accounts) when there was already another Mormon of moderate image - Mitt Romney - in the race who was far ahead of him in terms of money and organisation.

To cap it all, Huntsman seemed to revel in his status as the Beltway favourite, the Republican beloved of people who would never vote Republican. This may have positioned him perfectly to secure invitations to Georgetown cocktail parties as the token Republican guest but as a strategy for winning his party's nomination, it was utterly baffling.

A piece in Vogue based on an interview with him was greeted with mirth and derision by Republican consultants. The prospect of an adoring profile by a liberal writer - who swooned over his 'perpetual expression of thoughtful engagement' - in an elitist glossy magazine complete with a glamourous Annie Leibovitz photo shoot would make any other GOP candidate run a mile. Huntsman eagerly embraced it.

Many speculated that Huntsman was engaged in a dry run for a 2016 presidential bid. If so, it is hard to see how he has advanced his cause.

Despite his own personal fortune and his father's billions, Huntsman was reluctant to sink too much of his family's money into the White House bid, which was such a long shot that Huntsman took to referring to himself as the 'margin of error candidate.'

Some believe Huntsman used the campaign as a dry run for a 2016 presidential bid
He abandoned his headquarters in Florida, decided to skip Iowa and threw everything into New Hampshire, where he held 170 events.

Candidacies that bank on 'momentum' from New Hampshire are seldom successful.
Huntsman's task was made all the more difficult by the fact that Romney, who had a home in the state and had been governor of neighbouring Massachusetts, was always going to be strong there.
He needed at least a close second in New Hampshire to be viable but ultimately came a fairly distant third behind Romney and Ron Paul.

As the mountain Huntsman had to climb because ever more steep, he jettisoned his promise to only campaign positively and became one of Romney's sharpest critics.

When Romney remarked carelessly, in the context of choosing healthcare providers, that he liked firing people, Huntsman leapt on the mistake, blatantly twisting what his rival meant by saying: 'Governor Romney enjoys firing people, and I enjoy creating jobs.'

Again and again, Huntsman said that Romney had no 'core' and pronounced in Exeter, New Hampshire, on the day before the state's primary last week that his rival was 'completely unelectable.'
All of which makes Huntsman's endorsement of Romney, due at 11am on Monday in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, to be distinctly odd. There are already indications that his aides were in disagreement both with his dropping out now and with his quick embrace of Romney.
Huntsman's poll numbers were so low - embarrassingly, the comedian Stephen Colbert was ahead of him in South Carolina - that even if all his support swing behind Romney it wouldn't make that much difference.

It adds slightly to the feeling that Romney is the inevitable nominee but even that's marginal.
The decision to back Romney straight away may give Huntsman the chance of a job in a Romney administration, though there is bad blood between the two men that dates back to Huntsman's backing of John McCain in 2008.

There's some talk tonight of Huntsman being a possible Secretary of State but the very fact of his being a co-religionist of a Mormon president would make this a stretch.
Endorsing Romney risks damaging the image Huntsman created of being an independent figure who bucked his own party.

Making nice with Republicans makes some sense but it would have been a better move to have done this before his candidacy rather than after it.
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